He had communed with one or more of the Maiar and Valar before the rebellion of the Noldor.And he may have communed with them after the First Age.

• 在诺多叛出之前，他与一位甚至更多的迈埃和梵拉通沟交流，因此在第一纪之后，他有可能已经和他们交流过了。